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Wednesday, October 15, 2008

Schieffer's Scheissspiel

Here's the open post for the live-blogging by the Conspiracy. Brian is here with me at an undisclosed location, we're heavily armed, and Penelope is protecting the homeland with her Browning 9mm. Monterey John on the Left Coast will probably join a little later, as soon as he stops screaming at the TV.

Here's the MSM narrative pre-debate:

  • This is McCain's last chance. He risks being too negative if he looks at Obama or answers any of Schieffer's questions - his mere audacity to appear on stage is a racist attack on all that is good and pure. Have we mentioned that this guy is old and either doesn't get it or flat out lies about everything?
  • Obama is amazing - so calm, so collected, so intellectual. It's unfortunate that he has to be seen on stage with some old guy who clearly doesn't get it. Why can't Bush just step aside now and get Barry in the Oval to do some much needed changing and hoping.
Here's the Conspiracy's prediction for the MSM narrative post-debate:
  • McCain didn't deliver and he didn't change anything. It's really a shame that this once proud statesmen had to resort to such ridiculous attacks and couldn't say anything substantive about the problems that face Americans everyday in this economic climate. While he talks a good game about reform, he'd just be another Bush administration. He just doesn't understand that people want real change.
  • Obama is amazing - so calm, so collected, so intellectual... soo... "presidential." His detailed policy prescriptions really struck a chord with the American people, particularly those in the battleground states. Let's go to the map and show the votes how impossible it is for McCain to even come close on November 4th. It finally looks like the America people are going to be heard from this year and will get the change they so desperately need. Have we mentioned that McCain is old and has had cancer? He really looks tired and I think the campaign is taking it's toll on him.
If you're watching on CNN-HD (or tune into CNN post-debate), here are my predictions for the Pundit punch-count that they run during the back & forth:
  • Begala - Obama rules (35+ / 2-); McCain sucks (2+ / 25-)
  • Bennett - McCain's alright - Obama (12+ / 14-) ; McCain (18+ / 10-)
  • Castellanos - Obama did what he needed to do (13+ / 10-) ; McCain better than last time (20+ / 8-)
  • Gergen - Obama's won it (20+ / 4-) ; McCain (10+ / 10-)
  • King - Obama's running away with it (15+ / 3-) ; McCain (14+ / 3-)
  • Martin - Obama's the bees knees (14+ / 3-); McCain, not so much (5+ / 10-)

Just a guess...

Enjoy the debate!!!

Your Co-Conspirator,
ARC: St Wendeler

Comments (106)
Brian said...

Why are we watching this thing again? Oh yeah, it gives me an excuse to drink!

Brian said...

I'm sorry CNN, but Hillary and Bill are NOT excited about the Obama ticket.

They are spitting nails....

Brian said...

I just want to say right off the bat... Please don't take my remarks tonight as anything but a strong endorsement of The One (TM). I for one will always and have always welcomed our ObamaMessiah as our true master....

There now that I got that out of the way....

Brian said...

I"ve decided I HATE HATE HATE the Men/Women bar graph of uncomitted Ohio voters...

Brian said...

The Sitdown format reminds me of the Meet the Press set....

St Wendeler said...

Obama hasn't done well in sit-down debates previously... let's see what happens.

Like how Ohio uncommitted love the sight of Obama.

Monterey John said...

How about that, Left coast is here at the beginning...

Monterey John said...

Access IRAs "if experiencing a crisis?" You already can do that. does Obama know anything?

St Wendeler said...

have I mentioned previously how much I hate senators?

Monterey John said...

Alright, the plumber episode!

Brian said...

McCain comes out with the Plumber first...

Monterey John said...

I think you have mentioned that Saint

St Wendeler said...

Joe the Plumber is a McCain plant, apparently...

St Wendeler said...

Obama thinks Joe the Plumber is a McCain plant, despite the fact that Obama said, "yeah - I'm gonna raise taxes your honky @ss."

Monterey John said...

95%??? Only 40% pay taxes. How the HELL is he going to cut taxes to 95%??? A welfare check?

St Wendeler said...

Obama's answer to Joe the Plumber, now that he's on national tv - You're gonna get a tax cut... seriously... what I said to you in person was just me jivin'.

St Wendeler said...

Obama can't take ridicule... why haven't we been doing this all season?

Monterey John said...

This is a debate? How the hell did that happen???

St Wendeler said...

Joe the Plumber = Warren Buffett

Brian said...

Obama equates Joe the Plumber with Warren Buffet...

2.5 billion dollars = 250 THOUSAND dollars...

St Wendeler said...

Obama doesn't do well sitting down... his stutters come out more.

Monterey John said...

Exxon-Mobil canard again. How many pention funds and 401ks own that stock and what is it earning? 8 frickin' percent. What difference does the gross make? None at all.

St Wendeler said...

Schieffer was trying to cut McCain off... apparently he was embarrassing The One.

Monterey John said...

Pay as you go???? Colosal lie!!!!

Monterey John said...

Invest??? Had me the nitro Myrtle, this is the big one!

You mean spend. Does Obama think everybody is an idiot???

Monterey John said...

My typing has gone to hell here, I need to calm down. Too many typos.

Brian said...

McCain does a lot better when he doesn't move into "distinguished Senator mode"

Monterey John said...

John, get off the pork thing, it's not working! Get down to basics, like Bill Ayers and Rev Wright :)

Brian said...

Ok its official. Obama is stuttering and "umming" a lot more in tonights debate than any of the others...

St Wendeler said...

Earmarks aren't about the amount that they consume!!!

It's about the corruption!!!!

Brian said...

Bam.. McCain comes out and defends how he's not Bush

Brian said...

McCain is debating like he finally realizes he has nothing to lose.

Brian said...

Obama point out one time when you've been FOR change...

St Wendeler said...

Trial Lawyers like the Dems? I'm voting against those bastards...

St Wendeler said...

McCain is wining this debate so far...

Monterey John said...

Hey wait a second! I ARE one.

Brian said...

Is it me or is the first 25 minutes of this debate, MILES better than the entire 2 last Presidential debates...

St Wendeler said...

McCain: You want to talk about the tone? I invited that one to sit down and do town halls every few weeks....

Don't talk to me about tone, mother-f@#$er

Monterey John said...

You're right, way better.

Brian said...

McCain hits Obama on the racist charge..

Monterey John said...

wooo-hoooo! Called obama a liar!

Monterey John said...

no way to say liar positively :)

Brian said...

Wow... McCain has REALLY gotten under Obama's skin. He can't repudiate the Lewis remarks? Thats easy.

Monterey John said...

What 527s? Has anyone seen more than a smattering of 527 ads?

Monterey John said...

Get off the ads, nobody gives a $%^&!

Monterey John said...

Defend Lewis??? Obama is an idiot.

Brian said...

I think we've found Obama's kryptonite. Sitting down. He said the "people like you enough, Hillary" line during the sitting down debate. And he's all over the map here sitting down in this debate.

Monterey John said...

How about Obama's folks calling Palin the "c" word?

Monterey John said...

"Here is waht I would say," Obama's favorite way to stall and buy time while his mind whirls trying to come up with some BS answer.

Monterey John said...

ACORN! Alright! Go John!

Monterey John said...

Ayers - he's going to defend that? What a moron!

St Wendeler said...

ACORN - You don't know ACORN?

You gave them $800,000,000!!!

Where I'm from, if you give someone that much money, you better damn well know them.

Monterey John said...

No involvement with ACORN???? What about the $800k? He's is peaking out on the lying meter here?

Monterey John said...

Schieffer is pretty much staying out of the way. Good for him.

Monterey John said...

JoeBiden is a stooge for the Delaware banking interests, and well, I won't call him a crook 'cause I don't want to get sued :)

Brian said...

I would have said: "senator, where Im from when you give almost a million dollars to an organization. you have "some involvement...""

Brian said...

What sort of question is how is your running mate prepared to be president?

Doesn't that presume that they aren't?

Monterey John said...

Readiness to assume the presidency is a legitimate question given Palin's background.

As for Biden, he's a legislator, not much of a qualification to my way of thinking.

McCain's answer is pretty flimsy but I don't think he could have done better.

Brian said...

John, its a legitimate question for the VP debate.. where, I believe it was asked and answered.

Monterey John said...

You got Penelope sitting there? :)

Asked and answered, LOL!

McCain decontructed Biden pretty well.

Brian said...

Hey, that's what you get for living with a lawyer for almost 20 years..

Brian said...

Oh, and no she's not sitting with me. I've got the Saint next to me. And we're proceeding to get plastered...

Monterey John said...

McCain zinged Obama on Columbia.

Monterey John said...

Make that Colombia!!! damn.

Monterey John said...

What are we drinking tonight?

Pass the little white onions please.

Brian said...

No.. no Gibsons tonight... Just good ol' St. Louis (for now) malt beverages...

Although I think the Saint was drinking some Scapa single malt before...

St Wendeler said...

Sorry for the lack of comments, but busy designing t-shirts...

Have I mentioned that Obama sucks when he's sitting.... and not reading from a teleprompter?

Monterey John said...

Single malt??? Have you not heard about the stock market crash? The recession? The banking crisis? Millions unemployed? Jesus H Christ, you selfish pig! :)

Monterey John said...

Obama: "I exempt"? Sounds like Queen Victoria.

St Wendeler said...

Everyone... visit the Another Rovian Conspiracy Cafe Press store to see the new Joe the Plumber T-shirts.

Support Joe The Plumber against the Obamessiah onslaught.

Monterey John said...

Like the T-shirt!

Brian said...

I think he was thinking that he should drink it before The One (tm) mandates that its not health for him...

Besides it was his Birthday present...

Monterey John said...

Is that like "I am Spartacus?"

St Wendeler said...

I wish it were neither of them nominating judges...

Roe v. Wade, whether you agree with the outcome, was terrible law.

St Wendeler said...

Obama: and I want any baby who survives an abortion to be killed like a suckling pig...

St Wendeler said...

Equal Pay for equal work - Will McCain bring up the $0.83 cents for every $1 that Obama pays his women workers?

Brian said...

Those damn statutes of limitation...

St Wendeler said...

McCain hits the infanticide vote...

And Obama isn't shaking his head like he did on the other times that McCain called him out.

St Wendeler said...

So far, Schieffer's been doing a good job.... better than Lehrer, Ifill, or Brokaw.

St Wendeler said...

Obama looks terrible... the stutters, the umms and ahhs...

can we get him to sit down for another debate in the next 3 weeks?

St Wendeler said...

What other Constitutional Right do we want to reduce???

Monterey John said...

The latter two were terrible. Schieffer is doing fine.

St Wendeler said...

Education: I sure as hell hope that McCain brings up the failure of the Annenburg Challenge.

Monterey John said...

What will Obama do about education? Give into the NEA and throw money at it of course. Like duh!

St Wendeler said...

You can pay a public school teacher $100k a year to teach a 2nd grader, and if they still don't care, it won't matter.

Brian said...

The education question.. In my dream scenario, McCain brings up the 15 pages of "Dreams of my Father" in the Wisconsin Textbook, and asks if his book really belongs in a "literature" textbook...

St Wendeler said...

(especially if the parents don't care.)

Monterey John said...

Make college affordable? Mr Obama, why do you think it's not affordable. Does it have something to do with your pals in academia and student loans (easy money)pushing up the cost? Make money available and the colleges are happy to take it.

St Wendeler said...

McCain brings up the third rail (unless you have to send your kid to a sh!tty school) and picks up the undecided Ohio voters.

Brian said...

Nice question... "do you think there needs to be more federal money in the schools?"

Monterey John said...

McCain is dead wrong about student loans. They are crushing graduates and causing tuition costs to soar.

St Wendeler said...

Is David Gergen asleep???

On CNN HD he's got the following punch-count, 1 hour and 20 minutes in:

McCain: 4+ to 2-
Obama: 4+ to 0-

Monterey John said...

Student loans, as presently conceived, are like Medicare and Medicaid. The hogs come to the trough.

Monterey John said...

How does that scoring thing work???

St Wendeler said...

If you're going to turn in your best debate performance, do it on the last one.

It's time for McCain's media handlers to turn him loose....

Let him be himself.

Monterey John said...

I just looked at CNN score. You're right, what's Rodham Gergen?

St Wendeler said...

"Stop the spending" gets a huge reaction from independent voters...

Do they not realize what Obama is proposing????

St Wendeler said...

Obama - Cook County politics gets things done!!! Give me a shot to do to our country what Democratic Machine Politics have done for Chicago!!!

Go Cubs!!!!

WOOOOOOOOOOT!!!

Monterey John said...

I thought 1992 was the worst crisis since the Depression? Remember that one?

St Wendeler said...

St Wendeler's wife chimes in with:

Obama: That's what I've fought for my entire career...

"My entire 4 year career..."

Monterey John said...

Unfortunately, Chicago is still the city that works ... despite itself and the machine.

Monterey John said...

Good debate, time to refill the shaker. good night gents.

St Wendeler said...

CNN is trying to figure out how to rig the numbers before showing them to us.....

Brian said...

Verdict? McCain was hitting dingers throughout the night. Whether it matters in the end remains to be seen.

Brian said...

Night John. Good points about Student Loans. Your right that student loans have probably done more to escalate College Costs than anything else.

St Wendeler said...

Ok, it's clear that the "focus groups" are no longer focus groups, given the fact that they all know that their opinions will immediately have an impact on the election after the debate is over...