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Wednesday, April 04, 2007

A Rosie by Any Other Name is...

.. still a @#^$%ing wacko.

Jonah weighs in on Rosie (unflattering picture inserted by me):

Queen of Nice? Try Nuts.
Rosie's View..

By Jonah Goldberg

Renowned metallurgist Rosie O’Donnell proclaimed on TV last Thursday that Sept. 11, 2001, was a more significant date than most of us realized. It was, in her words, “the first time in history that fire has ever melted steel.”

This, of course, came as news to steelworkers, blacksmiths, firefighters, manufacturers of samurai swords, and other fools who hadn’t realized that steel is forged in magic furnaces using dragon breath and pixie dust.

O’Donnell made this and other profoundly stupid comments on the daytime talk show The View, ABC’s update of the ancient practice of women chattering around the village well.

The former “queen of nice” seems to think that the show is the perfect venue to audition as grand marshal for the next tinfoil hat parade. And if you visit O’Donnell’s website, you’ll find her application’s supporting materials: all sorts of unadulterated moonbattery presented in the Esperanto of global derangement — a form of instant-message-style free verse. For example, she writes about the British sailors held prisoner in Iran:

the british did it on purpose
into iranian waters
we will be in iran
before summer
as planned
come on people
u have 2 c
i know u can

You may be unfamiliar with such psych-ward stylings, but I get e-mail written like this all the time. Perhaps if you believe the jackbooted thugs are at your door, it’s reasonable to think you don’t have time to spell out your words.

Anyway, in last week’s rant, O’Donnell focused on World Trade Center Building 7, which has become the grassy knoll for 9/11 conspiracy theorists. Asked if the government was responsible for its collapse, she coyly replied that she didn’t know. All she knows is that it’s “impossible for a building to fall the way it fell without explosives being involved” and that, for the “first time in history, steel was melted by fire.” Wink, wink. For the record, fire can melt steel, and buildings also collapse when heat weakens steel. But that misses the point. The point is we shouldn’t have to argue with crazy people.

Regardless, it appears that not even the heat of ridicule can weaken O’Donnell’s steely resolve to make an idiot of herself.

You know what? That’s fine. Normally we expect such outbursts from the poor souls who rage against unseen threats at bus stations and public libraries. But even the rich and famous have a right to mutter inanities, shout non sequiturs or shriek possum recipes.

But ABC isn’t obliged to give O’Donnell a nationally televised platform. Barbara Walters, the matriarch of The View and its executive producer, is supposed to be a titan of American journalism. She has all the awards any broadcast journalist could ever want. But today she knowingly gives a soapbox to a wacko.

Walters and ABC no doubt will seek comfort in any number of rationalizations, from gooey platitudes about free speech to the glories of diverse opinion to the fundamental unseriousness of CafĂ© Vienna-moment television. And yes, human train wrecks make for good ratings — which is why O’Donnell may get another $40 million before her View contract expires in June.

Granted, The View isn’t 60 Minutes, so why should we care that much if the girl talk gets a little silly? After all, Walters has spent much of her career muddying the distinction between entertainment and hard news, what with her saccharine “What kind of tree would you be?” interviews.

Yet there is a difference between taking silly topics seriously and being silly about serious stuff. When you discuss hair-care products or lavish weddings, the subject telegraphs its own triviality. Walters may risk her journalistic reputation when she jibber-jabbers about such things, but that ship sailed long ago. It’s another thing entirely when ABC’s most venerated on-air journalist gives a megaphone to someone who frets that poor Khalid Shaikh Mohammed was railroaded, who insinuates that the U.S. government had a hand in any part of 9/11 and who insists Elvis Presley is alive and living on an island with Bruce Lee (O.K., I made that last one up).

But so far, O’Donnell has gotten a pass because she isn’t a mere wacko but a left-wing wacko. If O’Donnell sounded like Pat Robertson, the network would call in the butterfly net almost immediately. But because O’Donnell’s crazy accusations are directed rightward at that evil George W. Bush, it’s considered forgivable excess.

So come on ABC, for your own credibility, send her someplace where she won’t be a harm to herself or anybody else, someplace with rubber sporks.

u have 2 c

i know u can

Great article and, hopefully, my prediction that Rosie will be "let go" from the View will be fulfilled.

Oh, and I should say congratulations to Rosie. Her blog is extremely informative. For example, check out this post:
2 whole paragraphs
Posted by ro on April 2nd at 10:55am in in the news

9/11 affected me deeply, as I know it did many Americans. The falling of the twin towers served to remind me that many of the assumptions Americans have about their lives are rooted in false feelings of security. In light of this reminder, I have begun doing exactly what this country, at its best, allows for me to do: inquire. Investigate. America is great in so many ways, one of which is the freedom to speak, and indeed think, freely. I have, of late, begun exercising the rights bestowed upon me by the democratic system I value, and the exercising of these rights has taken the form of an inquiry into what happened five years ago, an inquiry that resists the dominant explanations and that dares to entertain ideas that push me to the edge of what is bearable. I have come to no conclusions and, given the scope of the subject, will not for some time.

If the very act of asking is so destabilizing for people, than I have to wonder whether the fabric of our democracy is indeed so raveled it is beyond salvage. My own belief is that the act of asking is itself reparative, because it brings to life the values on which our constitution rests. I am, therefore, pledging my allegiance, hand over heart, trying, as always, for a rigorous truth.

First, let me congratulate her and recognize that she did, indeed, write two whole paragraphs. And she used the correct spelling of "whole" in the title!

Second, it's comforting to know that - FINALLY - we're going to get a serious accounting of what in the heck happened on 9/11!!! I mean, sure.... the government investigated it... Popular Mechanics investigated it... and several people with a chicken-wire replicas of the WTC have demonstrated that fire doesn't melt metal - EVER!!! - but, the first two are part of the Neoconservative conspiracy (trust me, we here at ARC know who's involved!), and the latter guy just scratched the service - of the chicken wire theory. Either that or he was part of the conspiracy, trying to discredit those who don't believe Chimpy W. McBushitler's propaganda by making them all look like complete idiots. (And I can't forget the fan-favorite Paper & Tape WTC experienment! U have 2 c! I know you can!)

Finally, we'll get a true, objective assessment of that fateful day. It's reassuring to know that in this great land, you can be absolutely, 100% insane and still get paid millions of dollars.

So, I'd like to make a big announcement based on Rosie's descent into insanity: will now be a featured blog in Another Rovian Conspiracy's Moonbat Lefties blogroll which is prominently featured on the right sidebar above the other blogs that we like.

Congratulations again, Rosie!!! Keep it up and here's to your soon to be announced firing from the View! (Or, perhaps instead of a "firing," it'll be phrased more positively, such as allowing you to re-launch McCall's or some other piece of junk.)

*** UPDATE ***
In response to this moonbat commenter, here is the refutation of Rosie's rantings about WTC Tower 7, you moron.

Here's an excerpt:
1. Initial reports from the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) misunderstood the amount of damage the 47-floor WTC7 sustained from the debris of the falling North Tower—because in early photographs, WTC7 was obscured by smoke and debris.

Towers 1 and 7 were approximately 300 ft. apart, and pictures like the ones here and here offer a clear visual of how small that distance is for structures that large. After further studies, the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) told Popular Mechanics that debris from the 110-floor North Tower hit WTC7 with the force of a volcanic eruption. Nearly a quarter of the building was carved away over the bottom 10 stories on its south face, and significant damage was visible up to the 18th floor (see p. 24 of this report, and the screengrab below of an image of WTC7's damaged south face).

The unusual design of WTC7 is also crucial to the discussion, in that key columns supported extreme loads—as much as 2000 sq. ft. of floor area for each floor—as the building straddled an electrical substation. “What our preliminary analysis has shown is that if you take out just one column on one of the lower floors,” NIST lead investigator Shyam Sunder told Popular Mechanics, “it could cause a vertical progression of collapse so that the entire section comes down.” The tower wasn’t hit by a plane, but it was severely wounded by the collapse of the North Tower. Which is when the fires started.

2. The North and South Towers of the World Trade Center weren’t knocked down by planes—they both stood for more than a half-hour after the impacts. But the crashes destroyed support columns and ignited infernos that ultimately weakened—not melted—the steel structures until the towers could no longer support their own weights (NIST offers a primer here). Ms. O’Donnell fundamentally misstates the case with her use of the word “melted”: Evidence currently points to WTC7 also collapsing because fires weakened its ravaged steel structure.

Tower 7 housed the city’s emergency command center, so there were a number of fuel tanks located throughout the building—including two 6000-gal. tanks in the basement that fed some generators in the building by pressurized lines. “Our working hypothesis is that this pressurized line was supplying fuel [to the fire] for a long period of time,” according to Sunder. Steel melts at about 2,750 degrees Fahrenheit—but it loses strength at temperatures as low as 400 F. When temperatures break 1000 degrees F, steel loses nearly 50 percent of its strength. It is unknown what temperatures were reached inside WTC7, but fires in the building raged for seven hours before the collapse.

3. Demolition experts tell Popular Mechanics that wiring a building the size of WTC7 for clandestine demolition would present insurmountable logistical challenges. That issue aside, there’s a clear-cut engineering explanation for why the building fell the way it did. Trusses on the fifth and seventh floors of the building were designed to transfer loads from one set of columns to another; with the south face heavily damaged, the other columns were likely overtaxed. In engineering terms, the “progressive collapse” began on the eastern side, when weakened columns failed from the damage and fire. The entire building fell in on itself as the slumping east side dragged down the west side in a diagonal pattern. Still, damage to the Verizon Building (see p. 21 of this report), directly west of WTC7, and to Fiterman Hall (see here) directly north, show that it was hardly an orderly collapse.

I know, I know... Popular Mechanics is also part of the Pentaverate (along with "Colonel Sanders - before he went tits up. Oh, I hated the Col. with his wee beady eyes, and that smug look on his face, Oh your gonna buy my chicken....Because he puts an addictive chemical in his chicken that makes you crave for it fortnightly").


Your Co-Conspirator,
ARC: St Wendeler

Comments (9)
Anonymous said...

Of course Rosie knows that steel can melt. What people gloss over and what Rosie meant is that, never has a hi-rise building completely collapsed due to A FIRE. The WTC 7 fire was not even a major fire compared to infernos that have engulfed other skyscrapers.
The only buildings that have ever collapsed in a uniform motion onto their own footprint were controlled demolitions. The 9/11 commission did not investigate WTC7's collapse.
Why have not new tough building codes been enacted in order prevent other fires from doing the same?
Why did Bush wait a year and half before putting together the the 9/11 commission? The Pearl Harbor Attack was investigated by Commission with a couple weeks.

ptg said...

I'm glad I ate lunch before reading this post. The nutty anon comment shows how some cats will believe anything, no matter what says it.

Rosie is so noisy we won't be rid of her even if she does get fired from The View. Who knows where she might next raise her ugly head.

St Wendeler said...

notconspiracyjusttruth, I've updated the post to show how stupid you are.

Anonymous said...

Check out the new book by Dr. David Ray Griffin “Debunking 9/11 Debunking: An Answer to Popular Mechanics and Other Defenders of the Official Conspiracy Theory” 9-11 Debunking

Also, check out the Senior Military, Intelligence, Law Enforcement, Government Officials, Professors, 9-11 Survivors and Family Members who have expressed significant criticism of the 9-11 Commission Report and/or allege government complicity in 9-11 found here:


St Wendeler said...

Wow...This isn't the first post where I've made fun of conspiracy theories. I mean, this whole blog is inspired by the various conspiracy theories surrounding Karl Rove, Jeff "Because of the Hypocrisy!" Gannon/Guckert, and Halliburton - HALLIBURTON!!!

But, you people are f-ed up!

ptg said...

Amen, St.W! Shouldn't there be some kind of 'common sense' test to pass before voting?

Anonymous said...


Go to U-Tube and watch it. Then ask what's so "crazy" or "insane" about wanting what millions of Americans want the answers to.

Read the official 9/11 Commission Report and you know that it's full of half-truths at best and thousands of unanswered questions.

Rosie is giving voice to what millions want the answers too.

St Wendeler said...

So, Anon... which is it, MIHOP or LIHOP???

Brian said...

Saint, my guess is that anon would think its Cheny MIHOP, and Bush LIHOP, the best of both worlds!