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Friday, September 15, 2006

McCain's Hubris

Regarding the idiotic position of McCain, Graham, Warner, and Powell on the interrogation of terrorists, the following was used to describe McCain's position:

McCain stands his ground on CIA jails
By Demetri Sevastopulo, Caroline Daniel and Holly Yeager in Washington
Published: September 14 2006 21:03 | Last updated: September 15 2006 00:20

John McCain, the Republican frontrunner for the 2008 presidential election, has dramatically raised the stakes in a fight with the White House over interrogation techniques permitted for use at secret Central Intelligence Agency prisons by saying he is unwilling to back down on the issue even if it ruins his chance of becoming president.

The Arizona senator, who was tortured as a prisoner of war in Vietnam, strongly opposes Bush administration legislation that he says would redefine US obligations under the Geneva conventions. The White House played down the escalating dispute yesterday, which mirrors a similar battle Mr McCain won last year against the administration.

“This is not a showdown at the O.K. Corral,” said Tony Snow, the White House press secretary.

But two people briefed on conversations that Mr McCain had with his staff said the senator told aides he was willing to risk the presidency, because of possible loss of support from Republican lawmakers and voters.

Now, talk about counting your chickens before they hatch. McCain might be "the front-runner" two years out, but that means nothing. This isn't your presidency to risk, Mr. McCain. Talk about Hubris! His best shot for the White House was in 2000 and he blew it. And given his track record on tax cuts and other conservative principles from 2001 to 2004 (when he switched his tune in order to get in W's good graces), I don't think he has a shot at the nomination, anyway.

Unless McCain is meaning that he's willing to risk the presidency (of Bush) over this.... that's the only thing that makes sense to me.

And, to address the concerns of Powell, McCain, and the other pinheads - Here are the techniques used by the US when interrogating terrorists (from my post on November, 2005 - Torture (aka Tickle Fight)):
"They would not let you rest, day or night. Stand up, sit down, stand up, sit down. Don't sleep. Don't lie on the floor," one prisoner said through a translator. The detainees were also forced to listen to rap artist Eminem's "Slim Shady" album. The music was so foreign to them it made them frantic, sources said.
[...I understand that the Red Hot Chili Peppers is a favorite now...]

The CIA sources described a list of six "Enhanced Interrogation Techniques" instituted in mid-March 2002 and used, they said, on a dozen top al Qaeda targets incarcerated in isolation at secret locations on military bases in regions from Asia to Eastern Europe. According to the sources, only a handful of CIA interrogators are trained and authorized to use the techniques:
  1. The Attention Grab: The interrogator forcefully grabs the shirt front of the prisoner and shakes him.
  2. Attention Slap: An open-handed slap aimed at causing pain and triggering fear.
  3. The Belly Slap: A hard open-handed slap to the stomach. The aim is to cause pain, but not internal injury. Doctors consulted advised against using a punch, which could cause lasting internal damage.
  4. Long Time Standing: This technique is described as among the most effective. Prisoners are forced to stand, handcuffed and with their feet shackled to an eye bolt in the floor for more than 40 hours. Exhaustion and sleep deprivation are effective in yielding confessions.
  5. The Cold Cell: The prisoner is left to stand naked in a cell kept near 50 degrees. Throughout the time in the cell the prisoner is doused with cold water.
  6. Water Boarding: The prisoner is bound to an inclined board, feet raised and head slightly below the feet. Cellophane is wrapped over the prisoner's face and water is poured over him. Unavoidably, the gag reflex kicks in and a terrifying fear of drowning leads to almost instant pleas to bring the treatment to a halt.
But seriously folks... when the Dems and the Media talk about torture, images of much worse come to mind. I know I normally have visions of car batteries... fingernails being pulled off, etc. And it's important to note that these techniques have only been used on 12 - count them, 12 - of Al Qaeda's top leadership. These are not employed for your average terrorist caught in the field. The fact that most of these techniques are rather milquetoast (shirt grabbing?!?!) and authorized only for the top leaderhsip makes me question our seriousness when interrogating prisoners.
Now, these all sound like acts similar to what recruits in our military go through during hell week of boot camp, the only excepction being water-boarding.

That Colin Powell and John McCain think that captured terrorists (who do not wear identifiable uniforms and who do not carry their weapons in the open - specific requirements for combatants to be covered under the Geneva Convention)... that these two mental midgets think that the only thing we can ask of the terrorists is name, rank, and serial number just blows my mind.

It demonstrates to me that there are some even in the Republican party who do not take this war or this threat seriously. They think that we should be fighting this war with one hand tied behind our back - from interrogating terrorists in order to stop terrorist acts in advance to keeping mosques and Islamic holy sites (often used as caches of military equipment) off our target list).

And with regard to Colin Powell specifically... who gives a crap what that idiot thinks? He is the same guy who knew that Armitage was the leaker and sought to protect himself, his subordinate, and his bureaucracy rather than identify the person that broke a law. The State Department (lead by Albright & Powell) was one of the bureaucratic agencies which is most responsible for the attacks of 9/11, our anemic response to terror threats in the '90s, and our inability to speak the truth about the Islamofascist threat to the world since the attack. Yet another example of hubris...

***UPDATE***
Wizbang and StopTheACLU (should be called StopTheSenate and a failed Sec of State)also covering.

Your Co-Conspirator,
ARC: St Wendeler

Comments (2)
George said...

McCain will never get my vote. The man may be regarded as a war hero because he was held captive and tortured by the North Vietnamese, but his conduct since then has been reprehensible, starting with his being a member of the Keating Five. He knew better; he was trained to know better. Hubris is McCain's chief attribute.

TrueLiberal said...

McCain knows he will never be President. This is just cover to give him what he thinks is a plausable excuse to use in the future to "explain" why he lost again.