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Tuesday, June 13, 2006

The "Reality Based Community" goes through the 5 stages

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Reading the firedoglake synopsis of the news of Karl Rove being cleared today, brings into mind a certain Simpson's episode. In the episode, Homer is told by Dr. Hibbert that he's got a terminal disease and will die soon and goes through the Five Stages of Grieving:
Dr. Hibbert: Now, a little death anxiety is normal. You can expect to go through five stages. The first is denial.
Homer: No way! Because I'm not dying!

Dr. Hibbert: The second is anger.
Homer: Why you little!

Dr. Hibbert: After that comes fear.
Homer: What's after fear? What's after fear?

Dr. Hibbert: Bargaining.
Homer: Doc, you gotta get me out of this! I'll make it worth your while!

Dr. Hibbert: Finally, acceptance.
Homer: Well, we all gotta go sometime.

In this single post at Firedoglake the reality based community as a whole is in different stages, but they are all there.

Let's tick them off as we go, shall we?

First a lot of DENIAL, such as this excerpt from Christy Hardin Smith at
I’ve said this before, and I will say it again: unless and until I hear it from Patrick Fitzgerald, the investigation continues to be ongoing. Which means that there are still potential developments down the road, should the evidence (like handwritten marching orders on the Wilson op-ed in Dick Cheney’s handwriting) lead there.


Phoenix Woman says:
June 13th, 2006 at 5:27 am
Exactly. How many times has Gold Bars lied to the press in the past? Gazillions. And as Jeralyn and you note, all this probably means is that in the war between Rove and Cheney to see who can throw the other under Fitz’ bus, Rove most likely has the upper hand.

immanentize says:
June 13th, 2006 at 5:36 am

It is as expected — Rove has cut a deal. I am very surprised Luskin used the “will not seek charges” against rather than the “will not seek any conviction/indictment” against. My guess is that there is some charge (maybe a misdemeanor?) already hanging over Rove. OR, there is a threat of serious indictment if he does not continue to cooperate. It is the only way to keep him on the leash. Unless, of course he is utterly innocent :~)

Zergle says:
June 13th, 2006 at 5:37 am

Thank you Phoenix Woman @ #8. You took the letters right out of my fingers.

We have no information from any source other than Luskin. None. Are you willing to believe him outright? With no supporting evidence? None whatsoever?

Sure the statements may be true, but they could also be VERY selective about what facts are being revealed. Until the letter is provided (yeah right) or we can get confirmation of the specifics of this letter from someone other than Luskin, we’re basing everything on the statements of a lawyer for a spin-master.

Steve Clark says:
June 13th, 2006 at 5:55 am

The New York Times lost any credibility it had during Judy Millers “era’. This strikes me as a rovian reverse Leopold manuever.A phoney headline. I’ll believe it when I hear it from Fitz.

Jason Leopold is certainly still in denial

Second step - ANGER:
Jane S. says:
June 13th, 2006 at 5:28 am

I guess David Shuster’s “tea leaves” were wrong and I won’t even bother to mention Leopold.

Mike says:
June 13th, 2006 at 5:56 am

Beyond a reasonable doubt, we can now say Jason Leopold and Truthout are liars and can be banished forever to Wayne Madsen-land.

There is no greater crime than giving false hope to a liberal.

Mr. Leopold, I renounce thee.

Third, we have FEAR too:
GrandmaJ says:
June 13th, 2006 at 5:30 am

Trying not to lose hope, but so far not working. I know that the work done at YearlyKos will be invaluable to all of us ‘down the road.’ And that the work, despite what happens this November, MUST continue. And I hope Busby runs again in November. We must keep after them.

but what this does do is allow Rove full freedom to campaign in his most nasty fullsomeness. And we should be watching the ’silver forks and spoons’ (votes) very carefully.

Jane S. says:
June 13th, 2006 at 5:32 am

I agree with GrandmaJ–I worry that escaping this indictment will give Rove a feeling of invincibility and make him bolder still…

Fourth, BARGAINING (negotiating and hoping that this really will lead to an indictment of Cheney):
Phoenix Woman says:
June 13th, 2006 at 5:55 am


Has the grand jury been dismissed? No.

As Redd says, let’s wait for Fitz to actually do something before we take Gold Bars’ word at face value. And again, I suspect that what this really means is that Rove saved himself by offering up Cheney.

Zergle says:
June 13th, 2006 at 5:43 am

Mrs. K8. I was thinking the same thing without the wire part. Though the wire makes sense. Dunno. Sounds good, but could be completely out of left field. Man, would I want to hear those tapes though. Wow.

Not knowing what’s really going on is just torture. Ultimately though, the point is that the investigation is ongoing. From what we DO know, it seems Cheney is in Fitz’s crosshairs. Though Rove going down would be sweet, it’s more important for Cheney to be dealt with.

Phoenix Woman says:
June 13th, 2006 at 5:51 am

Hey, I’ve been saying all along that this is now, and has been for the last year and a half or so, a battle between Rove’s camp and Cheney’s camp.

Here’s what I think has happened so far:

Cheney’s guy Libby fell, tried to take down Rove as a means of plea-bargaining his way out of an otherwise-assured prison sentence — and came damned near doing so (why else would Rove need to make five GJ appearances?). But Rove has at the last minute, to secure HIS freedom, promised Fitz to serve up Cheney.

Rove’s evil, but he’s not PNAC. Cheney is PNAC up to his eyeballs. I’ll gladly trade Rove to get Cheney.

And finally, the fifth step - ACCEPTANCE:
Agoraphobos says:
June 13th, 2006 at 6:16 am

In the indictments/convictions game, you win some, you lose some. Just think about Libby, Abramoff, Delay, Lay, and Skilling. Big conservative fish. They’re crooks. And the Plame affair isn’t over.

We just have to watch the Republican spin on this, because it’ll become the media’s take on it too. Their spin will be, Rove didn’t get indicted, he’s clean, the whole affair is over, we’re not corrupt, now we’re the ones who can be entrusted with power in this country because we’re clean. And Rove will definitely have the chutzpah to be out on the campaign circuit talking about how Republicans are virtuous and clean and the Democrats are a bunch of lying crooks.

You've got to love it... I knew that the rabid community at Fire Dog Lake wouldn't let us down.

Or, ala Homer: DOH!!!!!

**** UPDATE ***
Brainster (another of Jamie Allman's featured bloggers) pens the Night Before Fitzmas.

Your Co-Conspirators,
ARC: Brian & St Wendeler

Comments (3)
Gateway Pundit said...

Too funny! And, Kennedy's guilty plea is the stake in the heart!

Anonymous said...

> Rove’s evil, but he’s not PNAC. Cheney is PNAC up to his eyeballs. <

PNAC? What the **** is a "PNAC"? Does someone have a Moonbat-to-English dictionary handy? :-)

So Rove, who isn't being indicted for anything in an investigation in which even the prosecuter is no longer alleging any underlying crime, will have "nerve" in arguing that the GOP isn't corrupt and should be trusted. But the party of Patrick Kennedy (D-UI), Cynthia McKinney and William "Ice Box" Jefferson - all of whom committed crimes in public and even on videotape - is squeaky clean and should run against "the culture of corruption".

Yeah. Right.

St Wendeler said...

Sorry, I should include a link to the Moonbat dictionary when I start pulling stuff from firedoglake & DemocraticUnderground. And yes, there is one... actually, several. here's a link to one of them.

PNAC = Project for the New American Century (Dkosepedia entry here)

It was a group with such influential characters as Bill Kristol, Wolfowitz, Richard Perle, Jean Kirkpatrick, etc (who backed McCain interestingly enough) but who now are seen by the Left as the true wielders of power.

I'd provide further information, but Karl would disapprove. I mean, what's the point of a conspiracy if you let the cat out of the bag on some blog post, huh?

St Wendeler
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