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Friday, January 27, 2006

The Palestinian Election - The End of the Neo-Con Experiment?

The idea, as I understand it, was that if "democracy" broke out in the Mid-East that a new era of peace and prosperity would emerge in the region and thus our national security situation would improve.

Well, how is that working out for us?

In Iraq we have a parliament dominated by Islamists of a distinctly Iranian flavor even as we are heading into a showdown with Iran. In Afghanistan things seem to be going somewhat better. In Palestine? Disaster.

The argument is emerging that democracy is not an end-result but rather a method. It is a method for the thinking of the voters to be reflected in their government. I guess we now know what the people of Palestine think.

History teaches us that the German people elected Hitler. Something similar seems to be going on in the MidEast. The truth is, what the people of the region think, and the reflection of that thinking in the governments they elect, does not necessarily represent an improvement in our national security. It seems the folks "out there" do not care a bit about what we think and want.

The MidEast is not the only place where we are seeing this sort of thing emerge. Bolivia is a recent example. Before that Venezuela elected a government distinctly hostile to our national interests.

I fear that at some point in time we are going to have to do something about these democratically elected governments.

I think we need to do some serious re-evaluating here.

It is too early to say the project has failed, Iraq may yet be a success, but not necessarily because it has a democratic system. That example, assuming it "succeeds," i.e. our national security is improved, may spread in the region. Then again it may not.

If there were democratic elections in Egypt, Saudi Arabia and the Sudan today, would we be in a better or worse position?

I wish there was a serious discussion of this in our body politic. What we get is politically driven gotcha games on the Left and head-in-the-sand stubborness on the Right. Someone needs to ask the questions, and I hope they do it soon.

President Bush had it right yesterday, the election in Palestine was "interesting."

Your Co-Conspirator,
ARC: MontereyJohn

Comments (5)
St Wendeler said...

Don't go all wobbly here, John. It's not like you expected a Jeffersonian democracy from a country whose "citizens":
1 - believe that the Holocaust was a myth;
2 - buy up Protocols of the Elders of Zion in record numbers;
3 - Can't get enough of Mein Kampf;
4 - Cheered on the death of 3,000 people in New York City.

Let's look on the positive side. For years, it has been said by even those who are hardliners on the Middle East peace process that while the Palestinian people wanted peace, their leaders (who oppressed them) were unfaithful negotiating patners.

Well, the nice thing about a democracy is that you know where the people stand (Assuming it's not a fraudulent election and with Jimmah Carter overseeing the process, who can really tell.)

So, now it's out in the open. Hamas received 75% of the vote.

What's the point of a Middle East peace process anymore?

While democracy given to some will result only in one vote, one time, that one time can be pretty enlightening.

I don't think that the same will happen in Iraq - since the political map in Iraq is much different than the deranged environment that you see in the PA.

Seriously... don't go all wobbly and start throwing around the word "neocon" as an epithet. Starting to sound like a Kossackian conspiracy.

Monterey John said...

Neo-Con not an epithet, it's a term that describes an approach to national security and a world view. It is a noble view. The question I am raising is, is it working?

That is a reasonable question and it is not wobbly to ask that question.

How is the business plan working?

It's time to look at it and make some judgments about where we go from here.

Brian said...

I think it shows the "neo-con experiment" is working. It's not the same old PLO leadership that has been stalemating the Palestinian peace process for the past 3 decades.

US diplomatic policy of democracy in the middle east is changing the status quo in Palestine. The Palestinians could have gone the easy way, rejected Hamas, and pursued meaningful co-existence with Israel. Instead they chose Hamas. This isn't a failure of the policy, since now Israel has their answer as to the dedication the Palestinian people have to the peace process.

Expect Israel to tighten the wall and let the Palestinians rot with the government they have chosen.

Anonymous said...

From MontereyJohn's brother:"Dear John. I liked the Palestinian election. Just think of the celebration and joy it brings to a backward, savage, bloodthirsty, tire and van burning bunch of idiots. As a liberal we must understand them and feel for them. They must face those horrible Israelis who will seek out those bomb laden men, women, and children that like to visit the supermarket and send as many to Ala as possible. I've tried hand wringing in their cause, it doesn't work. I felt for them and it doesn't work. Then the idea of a democratic election hit me with the impact of a roadside bomb. Wouldn't it be a good idea to have them express themselves in a good old fashion American way. AN ELECTION - WOW! I didn't know why I didn't think of that before. You know an election would weed out all of those mamby-pamby wimps and bring to power the best of the best killers. Oh excuse me I meant Insurgents and down trodden. Oh!.. an election and global warming. I just don't know what to do. But, worries me...I'm sure the Israelis do. They now have a legitimate target and entire state that wants to wage war with them." Bro.

St Wendeler said...

Frankly, I think it's amazing that we were preferring Fatah to Hamas.... talk about the lesser of two evils!

I think that this entire election just clearly demonstrates that the Palesinian people do not wish to pursue peace.

What was it that Golda Meir said?

"Peace will come when the Arabs will love their children more than they hate us."

It appears that this election just publicly proclaimed that the Palestinians do not love their children more than they hate Israel. Being open and honest about their intentions is refreshing.